Okay,looks like they are here to stay...

XS904 said:
I've just been reading the news about this.

For all the do gooders praising these people for going to high risk areas, perhaps they would like to now explain to the other 600 odd passengers of the aircraft they have come in contact with, who at the time would have not had the luxury of making the informed decision of flying with infected individuals like this nurse did.

Its about time free travel to these areas were suspended. Send medicines, allow volunteers to enter, but all must enter quarantine for a period before being released back into the main stream. Allowing these people to travel freely by commercial and public means is bloody idiotic.

This is how it will get out of control here.
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I have to respectfully disagree with you on this point I'm sorry.

It is extremely unlikely any of the passengers would contract Ebola from the level of contact they had, unless they were exchanging body fluids !!!!

Without the do-gooders trying to help control the spread of infection, contain the disease by treating and educating it is much more likely to become a global catastrophe.

Part of the problem in the affected areas is poor understanding and education about the disease and its transmission, by ostracising unnecessarily those who have been in contact it will drive sufferers into non disclosure which will increase the risk for all.

Here is some information from the World Health Organisation

2. How do people become infected with the virus?

In the current outbreak in West Africa, the majority of cases in humans have occurred as a result of human-to-human transmission.

Infection occurs from direct contact through broken skin or mucous membranes with the blood, or other bodily fluids or secretions (stool, urine, saliva, semen) of infected people. Infection can also occur if broken skin or mucous membranes of a healthy person come into contact with environments that have become contaminated with an Ebola patient’s infectious fluids such as soiled clothing, bed linen, or used needles.

More than 100 health-care workers have been exposed to the virus while caring for Ebola patients. This happens because they may not have been wearing personal protection equipment or were not properly applying infection prevention and control measures when caring for the patients. Health-care providers at all levels of the health system – hospitals, clinics, and health posts – should be briefed on the nature of the disease and how it is transmitted, and strictly follow recommended infection control precautions.
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I suggest you go back and read this again. I'm not against people going over to supply aid, I'm against the free travel back and forth.

We quarantine pets against rabies that also requires direct contact to transmit this disease, yet will not do the same for what is potentially a far worse disease.

Reading you who note, transmission from stool, urine savila? So your saying from Sierra Leone she never too a pee, sneezed or coughed?

I hope your right and nothing does come of it, but if it only infects 1% of the passengers she came in contact with, that's a potential 6 people also infected now.

And that's also only counting the 600 they know about, have a record of.
How many people pass through Heathrow daily?
 
XS904 said:
I suggest you go back and read this again. I'm not against people going over to supply aid, I'm against the free travel back and forth.

We quarantine pets against rabies that also requires direct contact to transmit this disease, yet will not do the same for what is potentially a far worse disease.

Reading you who note, transmission from stool, urine savila? So your saying from Sierra Leone she never too a pee, sneezed or coughed?

I hope your right and nothing does come of it, but if it only infects 1% of the passengers she came in contact with, that's a potential 6 people also infected now.

And that's also only counting the 600 they know about, have a record of.
How many people pass through Heathrow daily?
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Of course she would have used the bathroom, but unless others wiped her bum or nose after she started feeling symptomatic infection is very unlikely.

Without sensible restrictions (which is exactly what is in place) then these healthcare workers would be less likely to go and offer their skills which means the areas affected will be a far greater danger than they are now.
 
XS904 said:
I suggest you go back and read this again. I'm not against people going over to supply aid, I'm against the free travel back and forth.

We quarantine pets against rabies that also requires direct contact to transmit this disease, yet will not do the same for what is potentially a far worse disease.

Reading you who note, transmission from stool, urine savila? So your saying from Sierra Leone she never too a pee, sneezed or coughed?

I hope your right and nothing does come of it, but if it only infects 1% of the passengers she came in contact with, that's a potential 6 people also infected now.

And that's also only counting the 600 they know about, have a record of.
How many people pass through Heathrow daily?
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Maybe you would be interested to discover that American health workers returning to the states are choosing to spend their "quarantine" in Europe (free to go where they please, socialise with whom they please etc etc) rather than go back home and effectively be under "house arrest" for the required period.
 
Hang on Sharrie, I suggest you read your notes again. People becoming infected by coming in contact with a patients infectious fluids via bed linen, soiled clothing and needles.

So what happens to the waste from the toilet tanks from the three aircraft she used to get here? Would ground crew have been aware of the precautions needed to be taken with contaminated waste?

What other waste products and contaminated items would be left on her 3000mile journey?

Do you really think health worker willing to go to these countries and risk their lives in the first place would be put off by being entered into quarantine for a period on their return?
 
XS904 said:
Hang on Sharrie, I suggest you read your notes again. People becoming infected by coming in contact with a patients infectious fluids via bed linen, soiled clothing and needles.

So what happens to the waste from the toilet tanks from the three aircraft she used to get here? Would ground crew have been aware of the precautions needed to be taken with contaminated waste?

What other waste products and contaminated items would be left on her 3000mile journey?

Do you really think health worker willing to go to these countries and risk their lives in the first place would be put off by being entered into quarantine for a period on their return?
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The precautions for the contaminated waste will be exactly the same for any other contagious disease such as HIV, hepatitis etc etc so those disposing of the waste will have already taken those precautions.

She had no temperature before boarding any of the flights and The risk of Ebola being passed from an individual before they developed symptoms is extremely low.
 
digitalcaptive said:
Sharrie, as much as I bow to your superior understanding of this disease and disease control in general the idea of the risk of infection being "very low" would not be much of a comfort an individual contracting said disease on a flight.......there are many risks when using public transport or international travel but having the added "very low" risk of contracting Ebola is not as attractive as being next to no risk......which quarantine and restricted travel might actually offer :thumbsup:
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The risk of getting cancer from secondary smoke from smokers is huge. Have a read of this if you don't believe me: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/fact ... obacco/ETS. Given the number of smokers, the risk of getting cancer from secondary smoking is far greater than the risk of getting Ebola in the circumstances of this nurse on that plane.

Do you think all smokers should be quarantined? No, of course not. The response has to be proportionate. Bans, quarantines, locking people up because there is a hypothetical tiny risk is nonsense - all bikers would be locked up otherwise. The response has to be proportionate and based on evidence.

The only certainty is that if one person makes a knee-jerk reaction there is a huge risk many others will make similar knee-jerk reactions. Knee-jerk reactions are incredibly contagious, leading to mass hysteria and overreaction. In the worst cases the symptoms develop into a lynch-mob mentality. If you have one person on a plane who has a knee-jerk reaction you can be sure the infection will spread to a wide audience very fast.
 
Brilliant thread. Starts off about McVader and his ice giants threatening to get him and ends up with a discussion where we're all going to die from Ebola or secondary lung cancer.

The spirit of XRV does live on then :cool2: :cool2: :cool2:
 
The risk of a thread here straying off topic is certainly greater than the risk of Ebola from that nurse. :D
 
Whealie said:
The risk of a thread here straying off topic is certainly greater than the risk of Ebola from that nurse. :D
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This made me laugh.

http://newsthump.com/2015/01/15/death-r ... y-at-zero/

Anyway, that nurse is out of danger and getting better. Nobody else has come down with the disease. The scaremongering and calls for mass quarantines and no-fly zones has been shown to be alarmist over-reaction.

I am sure lessons will be learned for the future and there will be no more silliness ever again:evil:
 
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