When is it time to change your car?

austin

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My current car is a Subaru forester and there is a lot about it I like: big, comfy, "hewn from granite" feel, heated leather seats, and enough toys and extras to keep me happy. Its an 07 with 80K on the clock its never left me stranded .....yet. BUT it has a few niggling faults all of which seem to be outrageously expensive to fix: The check engine light comes on frequently with one of four faults: catalyst out of spec (overheating by the smell of things), air pump valve stuck open (bleeds air into exhaust at start up to speed warm up of the cat); one (of two) lambda sensors failed; and one (of two) throttle stops stuck. Clearing the faults can leave it ok for a few hundred miles but will always come back. At tickover the engine is lumpy but is fine on the go, and on a cold start it is awfully noisy like a bearing worn (but I haven't pinned it down yet) but once warm is just how you would expect it. Finally the power steering occasionally gets a bit of a judder on.

It also has an LPG conversion which I think is a poor install and a couple of years back I had some horrendous problems caused by the LPG wiring loom. This was sorted but it has never run that well on LPG and now won't switch from petrol to LPG. I have given up with it for now.

I could sort all the issues by chucking a thousand pounds (or more) at it but am far from convinced its worth or that would be enough to cover it all - the air pump alone is £600, plus two valves at £200 each and about 4 hours fitting (or a blanking kit and engine remap at about £700). Any other components are probably equally expensive, and I feel like I will just end up with other issues to chase down. I suspect that 80K miles on badly adjusted LPG has not done he engine any good at all. OR I could buy another car, but I am fed up of buying someone else's castoffs and looked at a hugely discounted pre-reg 2016 Astra the other day, which was V nice, V up to date, and a good deal in the offing on either a PCP or an outright purchase. But still way way more than throwing money at the Forester.

What do you reckon: new/nearly car, or fix the forester? I keep lurching between the two.
 

RickSkye

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Personal opinion.
Astras ok, but i found them expensive for what they were.Some of the mazdas are quite good value and the ones i have tried handle well, have sweet gear boxes and pleanty of tech.
I ended up with a bmw series one demonstrator. 2.5 k off new price. No miles, just sat in the show room. No brainer.
At least you will get several years without worry. 3 years no mots either.
If you are quick, there must be lots of pre reg deals, including demonstrators.
Don't forget to ask for any servicing deals when you are haggling.[SMILING FACE WITH SMILING EYES]
 

austin

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oh yeah :), hadn't even considered a Series 1 BMW. But they look to be just about affordable at 1-2 years old. I am planning to keep it for 5+years so a BMW makes good sense.

The new 2016 Astra is supposed to be a step up from the old one and Arnold Clark are knocking out pre-Reg zero miles 2016 models and 16 plated at £4-5,000 discount over new. (so sub £15K for a good spec new 'un is attractive).
 

Barftone

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2002 Honda......... CRV! Couple of grand...no issues so far after 7000miles (on 86k)....bit juicy 2l petrol
 

austin

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Barftone said:
2002 Honda......... CRV! Couple of grand...no issues so far after 7000miles (on 86k)....bit juicy 2l petrol

A friend has one and raves about it. I have always teased him that it's a bit of a hairdresser's car, so......?. I am also after something hassle free that will last and last and last and have had my fill of buying 5-7 year old cars as 3rd or 4th owner only to find I am the one inheriting all the problems and issues that I either have to live with or pay for.

An old Merc would also be nice, but only if it was a grand or so. That way you can just walk away from it when it goes pop. Fuel consumption not a big issue as we only do around 5-6,000 a year.
 

Philwhiskeydrinker

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Whatever you have, it's still 'just' a car......

A bad new car can be as much hassle as a bad old car, a great old car can be utterly reliable just like a good new car (but without the crippling depreciation).......

Take your pic and good luck :)

Re the Forester, there must be good knowledgeable enthusiasts out there once you get past ths sti/tune the nuts off it bunch???

We've been fortunate so far, the old Rover (that many slate), V paid 1k for it & lasted 10 years problem free it was sold last year for 350 if I recall correctly (sold within minutes of putting it on ukgser) to be replaced by another 1k car, a 13yr old Mondeo.
So far so good, touch wood :)

Phil
 

-XP-

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You'll end up throwing good money after bad, get rid.

I got shot of my Citroen Picasso a couple of months ago, it was a good little runner but started to develop a few faults that were going to cost too much to rectify.
 

Chewbadger

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80k and you think it's knackered?

2003 V40, just coming up to 211,000 miles. Flew through its test in Jan, will probably need me to change the rear brake pipes for next year. Does over 50mpg (diesel) and has never missed a beat.
Services on the dot every 6 months (I do a lot of miles) and I shall keep it till it stops.
 

Chewbadger

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austin said:
The check engine light comes on frequently with one of four faults: catalyst out of spec (overheating by the smell of things), air pump valve stuck open (bleeds air into exhaust at start up to speed warm up of the cat); one (of two) lambda sensors failed; and one (of two) throttle stops stuck.

The air valve being stuck open is causing your cat to overheat, it will send the temperature in the cat through the roof. This is how you regen a cat to get rid of soot deposits. It's also probably the reason your lambda sensor has deceased.
 

austin

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XS904 said:
80k and you think it's knackered?

2003 V40, just coming up to 211,000 miles. Flew through its test in Jan, will probably need me to change the rear brake pipes for next year. Does over 50mpg (diesel) and has never missed a beat.
Services on the dot every 6 months (I do a lot of miles) and I shall keep it till it stops.

It's not knackered really - the air pump is a crap design - it gets condensation in it which causes it and the associated valves to seize up. But it's so bloody expensive to fix it's not worth it. That, with the rest of the problems bubbling under make me think it's not worth repairing. I have been offered £3.2k part ex.

I have been unlucky with cars I think. The only good one I have ever had was an old Scirocco that I paid £600 for and that I subsequently did 70,000 once I had got a gearbox issue sorted and replaced a couple of coolant pipes. I had a very good land rover stolen that I reckon I would otherwise still have today. Every other car I have bought has started good and then quickly turned rubbish with bits dropping off, leaks developing, engine needing work etc etc and then I get rid after 2-4 years.


XS904 said:
austin said:
The check engine light comes on frequently with one of four faults: catalyst out of spec (overheating by the smell of things), air pump valve stuck open (bleeds air into exhaust at start up to speed warm up of the cat); one (of two) lambda sensors failed; and one (of two) throttle stops stuck.

The air valve being stuck open is causing your cat to overheat, it will send the temperature in the cat through the roof. This is how you regen a cat to get rid of soot deposits. It's also probably the reason your lambda sensor has deceased.

That was my thinking too but I reckon the poor lpg gas installation hasn't helped. On an analyser it runs too rich on the gas which causes the main ECU to try and lean it off all the time but is overruled by the LPG ECU so it stays rich on gas. Then when it runs on petrol it is super(damagingly?) lean until the ECU re-learns the fuelling, by which time it has switched to gas. I haven't bothered with LPG for the last few thousand miles and it is running better as a result.

I think it's time to get rid but wouldn't sell it privately without disclosing the problems.
 

Chewbadger

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We went down the Land Rover route, never again! You probably had a lucky escape.

I've never spent so much keeping a motor on the road. I px'd it against the V40, did me a virtual straight swap at the time.

Thinking diesel Jag next, not bad from what we've seen.
 

austin

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Van, yeah keep looking at them but, but but.

my 85 year olds mum and MiL wouldn't do do well on the back either.

But, go on then, what would you recommend. Happy to spend to get a nearly new one.
 

Philwhiskeydrinker

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I guess it depends on the size & type/format you want, it can take a while to get your head round the different builds, formats & specs.
Just back from Cornwall & every other vehicle was a veedub Transporter but you'll pay handsomely for one, that carries on to used values too.
Traffic/Vivaro seem ok too although I can never seem to be able to get comfortable in them (outgoing model) Boxer/Relay seem ok for a couple of years before the electric gremlins start. Transits have a bewildering list of build options the swb/fwd hire vans at work run to good mileage with few issues bar injection software updates but are more work van/less car like than some others & can get scabby with age although the new ones are a bit more modern inside.

Buy a used van with caution. Works drivers are animals, fleet workshop mechanics not much better!!!
 

austin

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Test drove an Astra SRi Nav, and a Seat Leon Black Tech (or something). Both amazing cars, both 1.4 petrol turbos, and both loaded in technology. I felt like Alice in wonderland with the stuff on these cars: not only are the engines ultra high tech but the driver and comfort aids are amazing.

The Astra had more including: lane assist (a little nudge on the wheel if you drift out of lane), adaptive headlights, proximity alerts and anti crash warnings, different driving modes, 4g wifi in car also used to remotely monitor the car and download stuff like software updates but also to use the Vauxhall Onstar service (speak to someone ask a question like where is nearest Thai restaurant and boom it's on your sat nav. ), it also calls you if it thinks you may be in difficulty and calls emergency services if air bags go off. Also interfaces to smart phones and you can remote control the car from your phone. That's as well as all the usual acronyms like ABS, ABD, ESP, and so on. The next model up has auto parking too!! And all on an Astra for christsake. Will it all still be working in 10 years? I doubt it v much.

I was truly amazed as I still think parking sensors are witchcraft. But, this sort of tech will be heading onto motorbikes soon. First it will be on goldwings and the like before creeping down to everyday bikes as the tech gets cheaper.

The Seat Leon was slightly less well specc'd but did have a few things the Astra didn't - like dual zone climate control and does look significantly better, was nicer to sit in, and was a much better drive albeit 25hp down. It is also more expensive but would be be brand new to me.

I need a wet towel to think about all this. I don't really want to spend the money, but these cars are just so tempting.
 

Barftone

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Stay Jap or poss Jerman. Newer standard Forester? Our much newer mini is just a bag of rattles.....40k on the clock...looks great but never again....dont tell Debs! Friends Nissan Cashcow just blew cylinder number 3 after 30k! PCP is all the rage (not mine) and gives hassle free sort of motoring I guess at a price. Are you thinking long term or short term ownership? I would maybe pay more for a low depreciating car (the Mini is good in this respect..hopefully?). I can see you in a campvan Austin :D
 

austin

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Well we did it today. Seat Leon Black Edition new. :eekicon: Quarter ends are great even and though they spotted all the issues with my car I still got a whopping 20% discount and a decent part ex. Pick up tomorrow and I even got a refund on the insurance :thumbsupanim:

Camper Van......we keep looking but I think they are hugely overpriced and we will wait until we cant travel the world on a bike, and then Van it around Europe.

Pic from google

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl= ... Mwg9KBYwFg
 

Steve T

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Boy racer car :eekicon: :thumbsup:

You up for pumping out some bangin toones Austin, whilst you make the turbo bleed air valve hiss and pop :thumbsupanim:

Enjoy the new car smell :thumbsupanim:

Steve T

:cool:
 

OhJ

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Hello. OMG. What a challenge. BMW's 1 series , stunning car, but do research they have diff proplems, turbo problems and some dealers are quite nasty about constant repairs. Audi are good but some have dpf faults. Landrovers I love good for off roading but as a dsy to day car there are several reliability and water leak issues. Jap stuff is good lots of spec very rarely breaks down.
The scooby is a good car, you will probably find your engine problems are linked to the auto gas unit, i work with these daily, depending on your gas supplier the vapouriser fills with tar and heavy ends from the gas production phase.
A friend has just picked up a year old scooby XV diesel, she is a petrol head and sold her impretza for it, she raves about them.
Personaly I am tight, if I look for a car, i look at how much the tyres cost and huw much road tax I have to pay. If your looking I would try and wait and look for a second hand 2017 reg as the new road tax rates are out.
 

Lowflyer

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I've had Vectra Cdi 150's for the past three cars, could've fault them at all and I used to really really hash them on the west coast roads every working day, never let me down. Would have gone for the insignia but that frontage looks sh1te :D

Bought a Skoda Octavia VRS , what a weapon :thumbsup: plenty of poke but looks like your average saloon. Changed jobs beginning last year so not "using" it the same as previous years, but great craic all the same :thumbsup:
A favourite with taxis up here, so these guys appear be impressed with them :lol:
 
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